How to build confidence without Alcohol, Season 3 Ep. 13

In this episode we question the idea that alcohol gives us confidence?? On the contrary, we  believe using alcohol can be detrimental to our confidence by putting us in a poor decision making state that contributes to a lowered self-esteem. Making the decision to say "No” to alcohol can be the first step to re-building our confidence. Trusting ourselves and having the belief "we can do this" slowly builds the self evidence and as the evidence starts to stack up we finally establish the self awareness needed to truly feel confident. It's starts with one good decision, one day at a time.

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Kelly: 0:02

Welcome to the LAF life podcast, a lifestyle podcast based on living alcohol free and a booze soaked world. My name is Kelly Evans and together with my friends, Tracey Djordjevic, and Lindsay Harik. We share uncensored. Unscripted real conversations about what our lives have been like since we ditched alcohol and how we got here by sharing our individual stories. We'll show you that there isn't just one way to do this, no matter where you are on your journey from sober, curious to years in recovery and everyone in between, you are welcome here, no judgment and a ton of support.

Lindsey: 0:40

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the LAF Life podcast. Today's episode, we are going to chat about how to build confidence without alcohol. I know that when I first stopped drinking, I felt like I was how do I even say this? Flailing around, I didn't really know how to behave, how to act because I was so used to actually using a substance when I was out and I didn't know how to behave or act without it. And that's weird because I think just be yourself, but I really honestly didn't even know who that was, which is probably why I was drinking alcohol, when I was out, even though I really enjoyed drinking alone, that was my thing. But I found that when I quit drinking for good, I was left realizing that I actually had really low self confidence and self esteem. I don't know how you guys felt when you stopped drinking. Yeah. I was just like, I don't feel good about myself. I don't like the way that I look. I hated the way I looked in the mirror, in pictures. I was horrified. And I just didn't even really know who I was, what I wanted out of life, which way my life was going to go. Yeah. And things in my personal life weren't going well. I was just starting the divorce process. It felt like it was never going to end, and I would have, if I was still drinking, I would have probably used wine for a lot of that. But yeah, let's chat about it. Let's chat about ways or things that we can do to build our confidence without alcohol.

Kelly: 2:22

I was going to say, when you said be yourself, alcohol was just part of my identity. So myself was the wine drinker. I didn't know who I was either. Yeah. Yeah. Confusing. Yeah. That's super scary. It is a scary part of deciding to quit because yeah, I didn't know who I was going to be without alcohol.

Lindsey: 2:43

I remember us talking about that.

Tracey: 2:45

I don't think so much. I didn't know who I was. I think it was more. So getting back to a person that I knew I was like, a previous version of myself, because as you guys know, I didn't start out as a drinker. I started drinking later in life. That was like. A romance I had with myself while I was drinking was the thought of me as a non drinker and also, having a partner when I met Randy that didn't drink. And I envied that about him because I saw him coming from a place that I remembered myself being in previously when I didn't drink. But I have to say that I did find it took me a long time to find my footing, especially socially without alcohol because I was. By nature growing up very introverted. I only started coming out of my shell in my 20s. And then, of course, with alcohol, that kind of accelerated me into being a more extroverted person. For me, I feel like finding the balance between being introverted, but having years now of experience. Of building an extroverted personality and trying to balance the two and do it without alcohol. I love that. To rely on You need those small wins along the way. And I think, I know for me personally, that is what ended up building my confidence is the longer I went, the more confident I felt.

Kelly: 4:16

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Realizing, like having the evidence and realizing that you can do, that came up on our last episode, you can do everything without alcohol.

Lindsey: 4:27

Right. And it's better.

Kelly: 4:29

Yeah. Cause you remember it all. More present. It wasn't going to be good.

Lindsey: 4:33

Yeah. You're present. Yeah. You're not repeating yourself or worrying what you're going to say if you already said it or not. So do you guys think that having an issue with alcohol starts out as a self esteem issue? Oh, that's a good question. I think it does. And I think, did we touch on this last episode or I recently heard somebody else talking about this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelly: 4:56

We did.

Tracey: 4:57

Yeah, and I think that the drinking just then feeds into that, right? I think the further you get along into your drinking career, the more insecure we get, because then we're in that shame cycle too. And all that stuff is feeding into our insecurities, especially if you're having increased anxiety, because anxiety is directly related to all your fears and all your worst beliefs. Thoughts and feelings, right? Especially about yourself. Yeah, it's you really are feeding in to those insecurities and deteriorating your confidence with time. So I was saying before we hopped on that. It's almost like we're killing our confidence when we're drinking and as we're having that habit. And as we're relying on alcohol to be social, we're actually relying on it to be confident. And that might be a factor in the addiction, right? Is that we don't think that we're going to have that confidence without it, or we depend on it or rely on it.

Kelly: 6:05

I heard somebody say on a podcast that, kids come home their first time from drinking. And the parents, the first question they ask is, where did you get it, instead of asking the question, why did you do it? And I really feel like If my parents had dug into it it would have been uncovered that it was a self esteem issue. I needed it to socialize, but yeah, we look at it Oh my God, they're drinking, they're hanging out with the wrong crowd, blah, blah, blah. But nothing's focused on what's happening on the inside. I wish, on. I heard that. Like, why do you feel the need to get drunk every weekend? My self esteem is so low. Yeah. My self esteem was so low when I was a kid that, yeah, that was the only thing that made me feel confident. Falsely, obviously. Yeah. Yeah.

Tracey: 6:56

It's definitely a false sense of confidence, but I can relate in the sense that I definitely we've talked about this Kel that, it's the repression. Of yourself and your personality I felt really repressed as a child and I think that Alcohol eventually help me feel like I could alleviate some of that. Yes. And come out of my shell like so many people talk about it being a social lubricant but really, you should think about it in the sense that if I am dependent on alcohol to be social or to feel good, let's get down to the root problem. I should be looking deeper into that. And, okay. It's not something we think about while we're drinking.

Kelly: 7:42

Yeah, and how many times we talk about the mommy wine culture, and that is such a disempowering message that, women can't handle all the things they have going on in their life. So they need the alcohol, like that's got to lower the self esteem.

Lindsey: 7:59

The other thing too, hear me out, alcohol impairs judgment, right? So when you're drinking, you're making all kinds of horrible, bad decisions and behaving badly. And the next day it results in embarrassment and shame. So this is a way that alcohol actually destroys your confidence because it makes you feel bad about yourself because when you're drinking, your judgment's impaired. Which is normal when you're drinking. Yeah. But then you feel like a person who just makes bad decisions and then you associate that with your personality and your behavior and it's almost like you need to keep drinking to stuff that down or forget about that and then you make more bad decisions, right? And I think that really undermines your confidence. Absolutely. So one of the things that I noticed for me is that when I decided, okay, I'm going to make good choices here for myself, whatever that means for you. For me, it was, I'm not going to drink. And when I made that decision and stuck with it, tick, confidence went up. I didn't drink here. I didn't need to. I got through the event. I was able to hold a conversation. I remember it all. And I made good choices. And I didn't, lash out at anybody. I didn't get overly emotional. I didn't end up in the middle of a dance floor crying. It's a powerful thing to feel that you have control over your emotions, over your thoughts, your words, and your actions. And I think that is a really great way or something that you can do to boost your confidence is just make good decisions when you are not drinking and start with that one.

Tracey: 9:34

But I think it starts with exactly what you said, Linds that would be like, step number 1 is or the number 1 check you made the decision to stop drinking. You were confident enough or believed in yourself enough to do it. I was listening to a clip today from Robert Downey Jr. who has struggled with addiction and was, in and out of rehab and it took him quite a few attempts to become sober. And he said that, being sober, isn't the hard part. He said the hardest part of it is making the decision to stop. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's number one check on the confidence list. The second you make that decision, you're instantly increasing your confidence. You are. And then by doing all those other little things you said, like going to the social event, there's next check mark, right? Then you start checking all those confidence boxes.

Lindsey: 10:31

And they stack up. Yes. And as those stack, as small as they seem, that is. What builds and boosts your confidence and your self worth.

Tracey: 10:41

Going back to when you're drinking and building the evidence. When you're drinking, you're actually building the evidence against that, right? You're building the evidence to reinforce not being confident. Why do we keep going back to it then? That's what boggles my mind. I kept drinking despite all the negativity that I felt about myself. All the things that happened that decreased my confidence. Yeah, something that I've seen out there that scares me a little bit is, like I love anything that's out there that's trending or whatever with changing your relationship with alcohol. But one of the things that I saw the other day was that somebody was offering a course or whatever on moderation. And my struggle with moderation was like the most soul crushing confidence. Stomper sucking thing that I ever could have done because I kept making promises to myself. So I would say I'm, make rules for myself. I'm only going to drink on the weekends or I'm only going to drink if friends come over. I'm only going to. Drink, one bottle of wine tonight. I kept making these rules and trying to make these promises to myself because I was not happy with my relationship with alcohol and I kept breaking them. Like every time. I could not moderate. I could not moderate. And I know all of our stories are individual, but I can't see how somebody where I was at with my drinking could ever. Moderate, right? It's exhausting. It is so completely exhausting that once I quit, like that's right. What you just said about, the actor, it's the decision. That was the hardest part to finally say, no, no more moderating, no more making these fricking rules that I cannot stick with or promises that I can't keep for myself. Just. Done. Done. And thank God it did stick that, time six years ago. I wanted to say that in you saying that, Kel, going back to the confidence checkbox, the other portion of that feeding off what Lindsay said, and now what you said is that checkbox also includes the keeping the promise to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. You were stacking the evidence against yourself again, every time you broke that promise to yourself, right?

Kelly: 13:13

Yeah, and I did have I've told you guys on here before, I did have actual calendars on my wall in my bedroom. It was for nobody else but me to see to check off. I didn't drink today. I didn't drink today. Check, check, check. It helped me so much. I did it for at least Four months, I wanna say. Yeah. But yeah, I needed to get my highlighter and check that day off at the end of every day I thought about it, every day. Wow.

Tracey: 13:39

That's a another great example of how you reinforced the confidence was, tracking your progress. And having that as a visual for yourself because it gave you a sense of accomplishment. yeah. The opposite of what I was doing before. So that's a good start. What else to build confidence? I think going back to something Lynn's touched on the doing things to help you figure out who you are, right? And I know you've talked about this, Kel, trying different things, exposing yourself to new things therapy. Yeah, digging deep, right? Doing the therapy, doing the work, doing the internal work to really figure out who you are and maybe deal with some of the reasons why you started drinking in the 1st place. And I think, as you go along that journey, that builds confidence as well. Just the understanding of it. I just felt like, how did I get here? I explained to somebody the other day what therapy was to me and it was like, it was a way for me to understand why I was doing the things that I was doing that were making my life so hard. Wow. Yeah, that's a good point. That is such a good point. Oh

Lindsey: 14:50

my gosh. I think that's what you really have to figure out, though. Why are you doing the things to make your life hard? And there are answers to that. You got to be willing to look at them. It

Tracey: 15:05

goes back to the self sabotage thing that we were talking about last episode which again is directly related to low self esteem, right? Yes. Not feeling worthy, not feeling good enough, not feeling worthy of certain things.

Lindsey: 15:21

And then you start drinking and that just feeds into all that. Right. Yeah. I think journaling too, writing down the type of person you want to be, how you see yourself when you're clear headed because something that really built up my confidence was getting physically active. And I was doing that while drinking, we all know you do great workouts, but if you're just drinking your calories. Your body focuses on removing toxins and poison, right? That is what happens when you swallow alcohol. It goes, we're not doing digestion anymore. We're not doing fat loss and muscle building and fat burning. We are being poisoned and our only goal is to eliminate it. So that's such a hard process for your body to do. You keep doing that over and over again despite trying to eat well and be physically active. I was going backwards. You just look at pictures of me and I looked older. I was puffy. I was overweight. I was so unhappy. And that is such a confidence sucker. Yeah. If you don't like what you see when you look in the mirror, that's, yeah. And not saying that you have to go and be some kind of a supermodel or something that, you're not built to be, but it's accept yourself. Yeah. There is a version of you that is healthy. It's different from everybody. And you know it, when you're not your best, right? When I eliminated alcohol, but I kept adding in the positive things like trying a new gym that I was terrified to go to the first day at the gym where I live. I was like, hey, that's it. I'm I've stopped drinking. I'm doing my at home workouts. I feel now that my confidence. needs a boost, and I need to take a risk, and I need to try something different, something that I'm not, that I wouldn't normally do. And I found that when I stopped drinking, I gained that kind of bravery. I'm going to just try something that I wouldn't normally do. I'm really scared. I'm doing it by myself. I didn't have. And the first day there, I literally almost walked out without doing the workout because they get you on the scale, but it's not just about what the weight says. It's about your measurements. It's about your body fat percent. It's about your muscle mass percent and your visceral fat. And I was just like, how the fuck did I get here? So the longer I was physically active, it was like, okay, when I wrote down things in my book that I kept and sometimes, you know what the saddest thing is, you guys, I would journal while I was drunk and oftentimes like blackout. My writing, it was ridiculous, but I was writing things about myself. It was really sad, like things that I really wanted in my life, things that I really wanted for myself. And then when I go back and I've done this, I like read my little journal that I have and I see those things. I'm like, Oh my God, like it brings tears to my eyes. It was like, I am that person now, but I had to get rid of the alcohol to do it. I had to add in the positive things like the working out and being consistent with it got easier. I didn't have the, I'm hung over today. I feel like shit, I'm just not going to work out or whatever, and that really added to my confidence knowing that I was doing something healthy for myself. I could see, not right away, I could see physical changes, and it's just wow, something is going right, finally, and it's working, but you have to be consistent with it. I used alcohol as an excuse to let my, the way I looked. Go to the wayside. And I was trying to convince myself that it didn't matter, but it

Kelly: 19:11

did. Me too. Because I had turned 40. When it got really bad, I had just turned 40. I was like, wow, this is what happens. Not going to look like that anymore, yeah, it was an excuse. Yeah. It was an excuse. I love the goal setting and wanting to become this future version of yourself. But for me, that part of. I had to step back and accept myself exactly as I was in that moment. I wasn't happy with what I saw, but I had to accept it and be like, okay, I love you like this.

Lindsey: 19:42

When I saw those numbers at the gym, that's what that did for me. These are facts. This is reality right now. Reality check. And it's okay. It is okay. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's not a not a you're going to be better when you're this. It's you're good right now. You quit drinking. You're good, girl. Like you got this. Yeah. Yeah.

Tracey: 20:03

I think part of the exercise component after you stop drinking is that you become a lot more intentional with what you're actually doing instead of just going through the motions when you're drinking, or Lynn said, it's like the lack of consistency because you're hung over. You're not feeling it. It goes back to the piece that I speak to a lot. The fact that I know that alcohol was killing my motivation. Yeah. I was a person who never had a problem, pushing myself being consistent. I was a five, six day a week gym for a good portion of my life. But as my drinking started to increase. That kind of went to the wayside and it was more so oh, yeah, I can act like I'm still this active person and throw it in there a couple of times a week, but there definitely really wasn't any real consistency to it or intention. I wasn't doing it with any real good intention. I think it was just for show or fluff early at that point. Or maybe I think for me with stuff like that, I'm like my drinking's not that bad. I'm still gonna the gym. Yeah.

Lindsey: 21:10

Oh yeah. Oh boy.

Tracey: 21:15

Or, yeah, you know what? I went to the gym today so I can have that glass of wine tonight. Yes. Oh, man. Yeah, the reward, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would say having goals. Or living more intentionally, those things are what helps build the confidence to

Kelly: 21:35

having an intention. Yeah. Not just like flailing around and be like, Oh, yeah, it's going to happen today. Yeah. Yeah. Intentionally, I think just even waking up feeling good starting your day. On a positive note, not feeling half assed that in itself builds confidence because it makes you feel like you can accomplish so much more and you're ready to tackle your day and that in itself is confidence. It is. It really is. Yeah. And it never gets old. No,

Tracey: 22:08

We've said before, it's the little things, it's those little things that compile. Right and build the evidence and that's where the confidence comes from.

Kelly: 22:20

Yeah. Yeah. And it's every day, every kind of small interaction that's building its way to. Where we are now, where we're much more comfortable in our skin and our decisions to not be drinking, especially in social situations. But I can say it probably took me a good year and a half to feel fully comfortable. Social situations where I'll call became really not even a thought. Yeah I skipped a lot of events in the beginning, because I was just so unsure of myself and so nervous. So I did skip a lot of events. And then, yeah, just slowly I've talked about this before, but always having a plan I would always drive. So that I could leave whenever I wanted, but those things, yeah, I don't need to worry about any of that anymore over time. I know I'm not going to drink. And I also wanted to say, I don't know what made me think of this, but I think I speak for all of us. I don't think I'm better than anybody else when I'm at an event and people are drinking. I really don't. I feel like I have a superpower that I don't have to drink anymore, but I definitely don't feel like I'm better than anybody else. I wanted to say that. That's a confidence thing too because I do remember feeling triggered by people who didn't drink. Yes. Or who would put it on Facebook that they were alcohol free, and I would think fuck you. Go and tell that story somewhere else. I don't want to see that shit, but that trigger was an indication to me about where I stood with myself and how unconfident I felt about myself without alcohol, right? It wasn't so much a judgment on them. No. But I was super triggered. I remember feeling like that, seeing things like that, and I would unfollow or I would just be like, oh, whatever okay, you do think you're better than all of us, or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's important for our listeners to hear this because, if you're newly alcohol free and going to social events for the first time and somebody doesn't respond well to this, it's not about you. It is not about you. It's about them. And I have had that too. I have had somebody not want to talk to me anymore for the rest of the night. Once they found out I didn't drink like, okay. But not taking it personally and being able to carry on with your night that's a huge confidence booster. Although at first that might be hard I wasn't warned about that, nobody said, hey, when you decide to do this, you're going to trigger a lot of people, just like you were triggered and I didn't put that together, but. I now see, because now we're all on the other side of it, that, oh, when I was triggered by people living an alcohol free life like I am now, I now see it wasn't about them, it was about me and my relationship with me, myself, right? Oh, man. Yeah. And yeah, that's the other thing too. I think it's funny. I used to think I'd have to give some sort of explanation or if somebody asks me if I want a glass of wine, I just say, no I don't say oh no, I don't drink. Oh no I'm alcohol free. You don't have to say that.

Tracey: 25:32

That's the building of the confidence, right? Exactly. Yeah. I was going to say, saying no builds confidence. Just

Kelly: 25:41

say no, you don't have to say anything else. No is a complete sentence.

Tracey: 25:45

Boundaries. Practice that. Boundaries and saying no. That's another confidence booster right there. Yes, having boundaries. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a super power. Yeah, I was thinking that too while you were talking there, Kel. And then I think a huge piece probably for all of us is sharing our own stories. That builds a lot of confidence as well because it helps you to not feel alone. And it helps you when you realize it's helping other people. Yeah,

Kelly: 26:17

it still feels vulnerable for me sometimes, sharing something so personal. But the fact that I get messages from people and, like Trace like told me afterwards that she was reading things that I was posting, it's worth it. To me, and not everybody has to share their story, but Tracey's right. It does help you. And it also helps keep you accountable.

Lindsey: 26:39

That's true. We've said before, I feel now like vulnerability is a superpower. And to me, vulnerability builds confidence because you have to be comfortable with yourself and where you're at. In order to be vulnerable and share. So if you aren't comfortable with yourself or where you're at in life and you're lacking confidence, you're not going to be sharing your story.

Kelly: 27:06

If there's still any shame associated with it people are still have shame attached to that because there is a stigma that we all need to be drinking. It's changing,

Tracey: 27:18

it is changing a lot. It's amazing actually. It's crazy how quickly it's happened if I think about the awareness now in comparison to when we started this podcast, if I think about even the podcast in the space, when we started. And it felt like there was very few, and now it seems like they're all over the place, right? Yeah. There's so many of them, and there seems like there's one popping up every other day.

Lindsey: 27:46

Yeah. The community brings a sense of confidence too, right? Yeah, knowing that there's people just like you. Exactly.

Kelly: 27:52

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's good stuff. Yeah, I'm trying to think of more things. I know we had a good conversation. I think the last episode before we broke about confidence. But to me, it's just like a gradual thing. yeah, talked about stacking them up and celebrating the little wins and keeping the promises to yourself. It's the little things.

Tracey: 28:17

Yeah. And it's just gradual to the point where I feel like you don't notice it. And then one day it's just holy shit.

Kelly: 28:25

I've created a whole new life. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's what I feel like. Like, when did this happen? Look, I'm in my new studio. Yeah. Exactly. How'd I get here? Yeah. Life is pretty crazy.

Lindsey: 28:45

I'm really trying to think of different.

Kelly: 28:50

I'm thinking about the young people, like Maddie at that age where self esteem is so important.

Tracey: 28:57

That's the thing, like the prime age for self esteem where we're so challenged with it is like 13, right? Yes. Grade nine. Ooh. Yeah, so it starts young and it starts at exactly the same time as we start to get influenced by these outside things and exposure to these outside things. Yeah, I don't know what's the best answer for how you instill that in your kids other than really just supporting them being themselves.

Kelly: 29:32

Being themselves and what they think about themselves is so much more important than what other people think of them. Yes.

Tracey: 29:40

And I think just having open conversations, making them feel like they can talk to you not judging. That's a big thing. Yeah, I remember Maddie came home from a party once and you were just like, so did you drink? That's a powerful question. It's I'm not going to judge you if you did, and you can tell me if you did, yeah, not having like that fear mongering that our parents did, right? Did you drink?

Kelly: 30:05

Yeah, exactly. More like the approach, right? Yeah, or leaving the house, no drinking. Yes. No other conversation about anything else. Just no drinking. But that's the thing. I think that by not saying those things, you're actually instilling confidence because you're having faith in your children that they're going to make those decisions for themselves. Yes, and you're giving them the confidence to say, I believe that you can make that decision for yourself and you're going to make the right choice. Yes, I think we have to give them as scary as it is the freedom to make choices and make mistakes to and be confident and comfortable that they're going to make the right ones. If they do make a mistake, or they do try something, not going at it from a place of judgment and understanding that there is going to be an element and I said this to my daughter it's a curiosity. And that curiosity is going to exist and it's not a bad thing. It's actually a very good thing to have a sense of curiosity. If you're trying it out of that, then understandably. Because that's going to happen amongst peers, but I think your point was very strong there, Kel, that. I think we need to make sure that we're asking the question as to why did they try to? Yeah, I think that's an important piece. And if the answer to that is because all my friends were doing it, or people were pushing me to do it, then. You might want to be concerned at that point that it does have to do with someone's self esteem. Or if your child says to you, I did it because I was uncomfortable. In the social situation, yeah, there's, I didn't feel comfortable or I felt awkward. So I thought it would help. Then that's a red flag to something you want to. dulve too, I think.

Lindsey: 32:06

I think that happens to a lot of adults. I probably drank in situations where I went in knowing or feeling like I didn't want to, but I did it anyways because I felt uncomfortable or I felt awkward. I don't regret it. I don't regret drinking alcohol because I think, I wish this didn't happen late in life, this realization that I don't need anything outside myself to validate me or for me to be myself. I just need to just be right. I wish that came sooner, but I know now, right? Yeah. This was not all it was cracked up to be and it's actually, it's very ironic that it's advertised and marketed to boost confidence, but it actually does the opposite. You get this false sense of confidence or this temporary relief. But,

Tracey: 33:00

and then wake up the next day regretting everything you did the

Lindsey: 33:04

night before. The long term effects are so detrimental. Show us pictures of that in your advertisements. Exactly. The long term effects are so detrimental to your self image that it really just, it really just degrades your confidence. Yeah. I don't know.

Kelly: 33:21

We talked about this last time, so deep down when you know you're not doing something that's, or you are doing something that's not good for your health in general,

Lindsey: 33:28

It's not a good feeling. You're not confident. No. It's the inner conflict too, right? You're having that inner conflict with yourself. Yeah, that's not building confidence either. You're doing the opposite. What feels good for you. So you're doing the opposite.

Kelly: 33:47

That was me. Yes, I can relate to that so much.

Tracey: 33:51

And going back to Linz, we've talked about going back to the kids. Adults can also feel peer pressure to drink. Absolutely. Lots of times you go into a situation and you're like, I'm not going to drink tonight, or you're thinking, I'm not really feeling like drinking. And then next thing you know, someone's putting a drink in your hand or in front of you and drinking. And as we all know, for us, It wouldn't just be one then. No. Never. Yeah. Adults can feel the peer pressure too. Yeah. And that's the lack of confidence. Giving in to the peer pressure is a lack of self esteem and lack of confidence. Yeah. For sure. Go back and listen to our, did we do a self love episode? Yeah. We did. Yeah. We did.

Kelly: 34:35

Yeah. Yeah. Give yourself some more love.

Tracey: 34:39

Yes. That's another way to build confidence for sure. Yes. Yes. Self care. Do our 30 day self care challenge. Yes. I think that's a wrap. Thank you once again for tuning in to the LAF Life podcast. You can find us on Instagram at LAF Life podcast. We also have a website. So don't forget to check that out. laflifepodcast. com. We'll see you back here next Tuesday. With another brand new episode. Until then, you guys know what to do. Keep laughing.

Kelly: 35:15

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