Welcome Back Episode!!

Your Hosts are excited to be back! In this welcome back episode we catch up from the holidays and discuss many HOT topics, including the do's & don'ts of discussing our alcohol free journey at work. We deep dive into the World Health Organizations new guidelines for drinking alcohol, how we've seen people react and what we think is holding them back? That and much much more in this fully loaded episode!

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https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

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Kelly 0:02

welcome to the LAF life podcast, a lifestyle podcast based on living alcohol free and a booze soaked world. My name is Kelly Evans and together with my friends, Tracey Djordjevic, Mike Sutton and Lindsay Harik. We share uncensored. Unscripted real conversations about what our lives have been like since we ditched alcohol and how we got here by sharing our individual stories. We'll show you that there isn't just one way to do this, no matter where you are on your journey from sober, curious to years in recovery and everyone in between, you are welcome here, no judgment and a ton of support.

Tracey 0:42

Hello everyone and welcome back to the LAF Life podcast. We are back from our season break and we are ready to begin the second half of our season. Hello everyone.

Kelly 0:54

Hey.

Mike 0:56

Hello.

Lindsey 0:57

Hi. I feel like I haven't heard that intro in a really long time and it's good to be back.

Tracey 1:02

I know, right? It's so nice to see all your faces. So how were your holidays? It was a long, long break. Wow. Feels like we haven't been together for a really long time. This felt almost longer than the summer one.

Kelly 1:14

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Tracey 1:16

Anything interesting happen over the holidays for you guys?

Kelly 1:20

I don't think I had anything interesting as far as alcohol related. This was. Fourth single Christmas and it was definitely a more peaceful feeling, happy feeling. Had a really good, really good holidays, really relaxing. And yeah, I would say the three before that, I felt pretty sad to be single, but you know,

Lindsey 1:39

I can relate to that. Yeah, I, I feel kind of like that too because yeah, this is another single Christmas for me and we all stayed booze free. Did we all stay booze three?

Kelly 1:51

Yes. That's the whole thing. That's the main thing. I was not sad and I did not drink, so

Lindsey 1:55

Yes. Yeah. Me, me too. Kel Me too. I was not sad and I did not drink. I just loved waking up on Christmas Day without a hangover. I loved waking up on New Year's Day the same way. And I love how dry January and now dry February is really being promoted. Mm-hmm. like I'm seeing a lot of ads for, for that stuff,

Kelly 2:18

That's great. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of that too. Mm-hmm. and I was really excited the other day. Somebody sent me an an alcohol free bar that's opening in Brandon, Manitoba. So that was pretty exciting.

Tracey 2:31

Awesome.

Kelly 2:31

Pop up. Yeah. So those things are popping up and Yeah.

Tracey 2:35

How far is Brandon from you guys? Kel?

Kelly 2:37

Two hours.

Lindsey 2:38

Two hours? Yeah.

Kelly 2:39

Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Tracey 2:40

Well you could drive there because you don't drink drive

Kelly 2:44

True. It is not a very exciting drive through the prairies. Yeah. But you know,

Tracey 2:50

you could make like a girl's weekend out of bit, maybe.

Lindsey 2:52

Yeah. Mm. Yeah.

Tracey 2:54

I stopped in Brandon, Manitoba. That's where I stayed overnight when I drove out to Calgary. Mm. That was our first time. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So what about you, Mike? Anything exciting happen to you? You were just talking about how you went to a 50th birthday party, so they must have been some heavy drinking there.

Mike 3:11

Yeah. I went to 50th got bought a shot and had to

Kelly 3:17

throw it over your shoulder,

Tracey 3:18

decline it.

Mike 3:19

Oh no.

Lindsey 3:19

No way. Birthday.

Tracey 3:21

Pass it on down the line.

Mike 3:23

No, the birthday boy ended up drinking three. Everyone else was drinking too?

Kelly 3:26

How was that, like, how did you feel when that happened?

Mike 3:29

Oh, it was fine. I mean, it's, yeah, I think people just are used to it now. I don't have to explain myself, but, and I don't think anybody should have to explain theirself. I went to Myrtle Beach, I went golfing, which was interesting that the last round we played, we played with these two. Guys, older guys, and the guy said, oh, you guys are from Canada. Do you drink Leba Blue? And I just kinda looked at him, I said, oh, I don't drink. And he's like, oh. And it was kind of like the, what do you mean you, you don't drink? Like it was that. And he was like, yeah, I just don't drink. And he is like, oh, cool. And then he just kind of turned it off. But it didn't really change the round because sometimes when you golf, most of the times guys are drinking or having a beer or whatnot.

Tracey 4:11

How did you find the whole trip, Mike? Because I think you were a little concerned about that.

Mike 4:16

Sorry, can you say that again?

Tracey 4:17

How did you find the whole trip? Because I think there was some discussion before about you being concerned or talking about staying on your own.

Mike 4:25

No, that was more or less the company that I went with. Actually he's my good buddy and I started to reflect, like a lot of the trips have gone on in the past, say 12, 15 years. When I've gone away with him, it's always been drink, drink, drink. And this is the first trip that I've ever gone away with him where I wasn't drinking and I was like, holy shit, I don't know if I could handle you for this long. We had our own kind of areas where we kept apart and he didn't really drink too much and he didn't do it because I was there. He just chose not to do it. It was, wasn't difficult, but it was also a definite learning experience, that's for sure. And I guess planning better on mm-hmm. what to do on those things besides golf. So

Tracey 5:08

Right. Well that's good.

Mike 5:09

Oh, it was fun. It was fun to get away. It was fun to get away.

Tracey 5:12

Oh no, it turned out then. That's good

Mike 5:14

for the most part.

Tracey 5:14

Yeah, my family had an alcohol free Christmas, so that was awesome.

Kelly 5:19

Wow. Oh my god, that's

Lindsey 5:20

crazy. Amazing.

Tracey 5:22

Yeah, we made that alcohol free punch, which was fun that I posted on our page and it was neat.

Lindsey 5:28

Wow. Looks like it was out of a magazine.

Tracey 5:30

It was. Yeah. It was awesome. My mom found the recipe and Wow. We threw it together and my mom's a little Martha Stewart like that. So she always makes things look and taste good. But it was cool because the kids could have it too. Right. They think it's neat to have knit, added like a fancy punch glass and

Lindsey 5:48

I love that.

Tracey 5:49

Yeah. So it was kid friendly too. But yeah, it was really nice. Really.

Kelly 5:53

That's amazing. Any like comments or anything like that from the drinkers that were there? The, the fact that it was an alcohol free event?

Tracey 6:01

No. No, but I've been to quite a few events over the holidays. I went to a couple work events and for me, navigating that has been a little. new because I'm at a new company too, right? So the previous company I was at, I was there when I stopped drinking. So a lot of people knew I was kind of going through that transition of making that decision for myself. Mm-hmm. So now I'm at a new company, everybody's just getting to know me so the events I've been to, it's the automatic assumption is that you drink so people are offering you a drink so I've been in a lot of scenarios. Now I'm getting really good practice at saying no, I don't drink. I wanted to talk to you guys about and how you navigate this and maybe it's different for you guys because even prior to not drinking, I had a certain rule for this type of interaction with people I work with. I don't normally add people I work with to my social media. And this was even prior to not drinking or having a podcast. It has nothing to do with that. I just kind of try to keep business and pleasure separate. And because I do post a lot of personal stuff on my social media, I don't necessarily want people I work with always to know all these personal things about me, depending on what my relationship is with them. So I kind of try to keep those things separate. And then normally after I leave a company, or if I've moved on and I'm friends with people, then I add them after the fact. So I had it happen to me at my last organization. A girl added me on social media as I was leaving and she's like, oh my God, you got a podcast? I didn't know that. That's so cool. You know, blah, blah, blah, type of thing. And I was like, yeah, well, I don't tell people I work with typically about the podcast because to me, again, it's personal and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm actually super proud of it. It's like one of my most proud accomplishments. But it's more the fact that I think when you don't know people, there's always room for judgment. Mm. And in a workplace it's a little bit different. So I do find if somebody asks me, I'm always open. I'm always gonna give them an open, honest answer. I've had people ask me why I don't drink and I'll say, oh, I stopped drinking two years ago. I used to drink blah, blah, blah. But I find it a little more difficult to navigate in a work setting. So just recently I've become pretty friendly with one of my employees and we've built a pretty good relationship. So she went to add on Instagram. And again, nobody I work with right now knows I have a podcast. I mean, it's not a secret. They could Google me at any time and they're going to see I have a podcast cuz that's one of the first things that pop up. But at the same time, it's just not something I've openly talked to anybody about there. So I didn't have a problem adding this particular person because I trust them and I'm building a friendship with them. But I wanted to kind of preemptively tell them I do have a podcast and this is a bit about me. And instead of them just adding to my social media and going, oh whoa, like look at this type of thing. So I'm just curious if you guys have been under that situation and how you would deal.

Kelly 9:10

Well, all of my social media is completely public.

Lindsey 9:14

Me too, too.

Tracey 9:15

Okay. Right.

Kelly 9:16

So I don't even have to approve a follower on, that's me. Instagram's. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, trace, I don't, and I haven't been in any sort of like corporate job for almost 20 years,

Tracey 9:26

right.

Kelly 9:27

Self-employed and social selling. So I kind of made the decision to put everything out there. The only boundary I have, I would say is my kids, if my kids don't want me to post pic a picture of them, then I don't. I was pretty conscious of that when they were little and stuff like that. But yeah, I don't know. I think I just have the mindset of. I decided to make all of this completely public. You never know who you're gonna reach, and maybe somebody would be too shy to add me as a friend, but then at least they can see everything on there, like where to find the podcast and all that stuff.

Lindsey 10:02

So, yeah, I don't know.

Tracey 10:04

Yeah, that's true. I didn't think about that. Yeah. See, my profiles are not public. Mm-hmm. and I've always kept them private for Maddie's sake. Right. Yeah. Especially when she was younger. I do make sure that I'm kind of strict about who I add on there and not

Kelly 10:19

mm-hmm.

Tracey 10:19

for that reason. I'm just more protective of her. I told this girl flat out, I'm not embarrassed of this. Mm-hmm. It's something I'm actually really proud of, but I just want you to know, because it's not public knowledge here, so, mm-hmm. I'm telling you. Because I want you to understand where I'm coming from before you just see it on social media. And just to tell her too, that I wouldn't just add anybody on social media, cuz I wouldn't, I wouldn't just add any of my employees, but I've established a relationship with her, so I'm comfortable with that. Mm-hmm. So I felt it important to have the conversation for that reason too, so she understands that I have added you, but I'm not gonna go round adding everybody else we know here type of thing.

Lindsey 11:03

Mm-hmm.

Kelly 11:04

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting.

Lindsey 11:07

I don't even think about it. I just share the crap out of our podcast on my stories and on my Instagram. And like Kelly said, my accounts are open and they're public, so anybody like coworkers, and I'm friends with a lot of my coworkers on social media, so people can openly see that we have this podcast and I'm alcohol free, sometimes I get questions, I get mm-hmm. I've had questions from coworkers about like, Hey, like, why don't you drink? And I've actually had group conversations, we'll kind of, you know, catch up with each other, with coffee, on a Monday morning and the topic will come up. And I'm really proud about it. I think if somebody has an issue with it, they can unfollow me. I am just super open and transparent with who I am, and it's part of who I am. So yeah. I'm like, this is me, and if you don't like it, then don't follow me.

Tracey 12:08

Yeah. I'm not so much worried about that. It's more so I guess the fact that I think being new, being in a position of leadership mm-hmm. because I have a higher management role mm-hmm. in my organization mm-hmm. That it's just more so there's other things that go with that, that are a challenge as it is There's caution around the fact that people could use that against you, I guess.

Kelly 12:33

Yes.

Tracey 12:33

Is somewhat of a concern.

Kelly 12:35

Mm-hmm. well, yes. So I've been in a management position. Almost my whole career, and I've definitely lost followers and people don't wanna see some of the things that I post, but that's the choice, that's the choice that I've made. But I also can't be fired from my job. So Yeah. I have I have no, I don't have a boss. Boss. Yeah. I, I don't have boss. I don't,

Lindsey 12:57

I don't think you can be fired for having a podcast about being alcohol free. No. Like, even if upper management or your supervisor found out about it, there's Yeah. There's no mm-hmm. that's a whole HR issue in itself.

Tracey 13:10

Yeah.

Lindsey 13:10

You know what I mean?

Tracey 13:11

Yeah.

Lindsey 13:11

Like, no way. What would be the negatives about it? What are you worried about that the staff member or this employee of yours? Like, what's,

Tracey 13:20

I'm not worried about that employee Yeah. At all. I'm just saying Oh, good. Just there's some people don't all have good intentions. Mm-hmm. and there's some people that are super nosy that are gonna dig into everything. And then if that person is on the wrong side of something one day, you don't know how they're gonna utilize that information. Right.

Lindsey 13:40

Mm-hmm.

Tracey 13:41

I mean, I think it's part of the position I'm in too. You're already in a vulnerable position to be judged and to be held to a certain regard.

Lindsey 13:50

Mm-hmm. I would think you would be held in a higher regard. I don't know, like

Kelly 13:55

Absolutely.

Lindsey 13:56

This is a lifestyle that Like if you were posting on Facebook about, and I see people do this about all the drinking that you're doing and all the drugs that you're doing, like that would be like, Ooh, I don't want my staff on here. I've seen, coworkers posting their weekend pictures and I'm like, I don't think that's a great idea. Thought about that. But living alcohol free and being on your wellness journey, I think that's inspiring.

Tracey 14:23

Yeah.

Kelly 14:23

All your stuff is inspiring, Tracey,

Lindsey 14:25

all of it.

Kelly 14:26

Your food stuff, like everything that you

Lindsey 14:28

Yeah,

Tracey 14:29

yeah.

Kelly 14:29

I don't you guys see how anybody could find anything negative in that?

Lindsey 14:33

No,

Tracey 14:33

it's, yeah. No, and again, I don't feel that way. Just, there has been hesitation just for the fact. Unfortunately, I don't think everybody is made equal or sees things the same way.

Kelly 14:48

No.

Tracey 14:49

And I've already had

Lindsey 14:50

Very true.

Tracey 14:51

You know,

Kelly 14:51

Okay, this is the way I see this. So you're gonna put something out there like a creative project, a work project. As long as you are in line with your own integrity, that's all that matters.

Lindsey 15:05

Oh, that's so good.

Kelly 15:07

What other people perceive that to be is up to them. And you have zero control over any of that. So, making the decision to put anything out in the world is you take the risk of being judged. Judged right there. There's always a risk of being judged. The only way to avoid that is to stay in a safe little bubble and not put anything out into the world. Mm-hmm. And that seems kind of boring to me.

Lindsey 15:32

I love the way you put that. You just worded that so perfectly. So good. Kelly?

Tracey 15:37

Yeah, that was good. Thanks. Kelly's.

Kelly 15:39

Yeah, I struggled with that though. I struggled with social media with my business because one of the big things for me was I didn't wanna come across as somebody who's bragging because mm-hmm. lifestyle posts are important in a business like I am in things like that, but it, it's always fear of judgment. Yes. It always goes back to fear of judgment. Absolutely. And guess what? People judge no matter what, anyway, a lot of your friends that you've already let in and let them see that they're judging you anyway.

Tracey 16:07

True.

Kelly 16:07

Sorry.

Tracey 16:08

You're right. You're right. you're very right. Well, thank you for that tidbit. See, I just had to talk it out.

Lindsey 16:15

Yeah, I know. And I think too, in a business like social selling, if you're gonna lose customers because you're posting about being alcohol free, so be it like mm-hmm. you've gotta align with who you are. And just like you said, stick with integrity. Mm-hmm. like mm-hmm. and your people will find you and they'll support you. And the ones that don't, aren't your people anyways,

Tracey 16:38

right.

Lindsey 16:38

So

Kelly 16:39

true. Very true. There's a saying, and it's you, you can't make everybody happy. You're not ice cream

Lindsey 16:45

or pizza. Mm-hmm.

Kelly 16:46

or pizza?

Tracey 16:50

All right. Oh, Mike, you got any input on that? I see you holding your mic. The non-social media. I see Mike holding your mic.

Mike 17:00

Fuck'em all. Yeah. that's me. That's just who I am.

Tracey 17:06

Plain and simple. Hey, Mike.

Mike 17:08

Yeah. Well, I got off social media's for a number of reasons and mm-hmm. I have to have somebody do social media for my businesses, but, so I'd be a liar to say if I don't see it, but it's all business, not personal, so.

Tracey 17:26

Right.

Mike 17:26

I think probably in the beginning I was still on Facebook mm-hmm. for a little while, and I just, I wouldn't go on there. See men are different. So at least in my opinion, I wouldn't go on there and announce my sobriety or anything like that for probably that exact reason. And then you get labeled as, oh, you pussy, oh, this and all that. Like men are brutal and mm-hmm they're still brutal. But I know how to take it with a grain of salt to this day and just water up a duck's back. But that's mostly in-person engagement, not right. Remember social media, it's per, it's permanent really. Right? Like if somebody says something, you can't really erase it, so. Mm-hmm. like Lindsay and Kelly hit on, I don't think that it should be any bearing on how you live your life work wise, cuz I don't think it has any bearing on what you do. They have a strict policy of you must be a drinker to work here.

Kelly 18:23

We don't like you.

Mike 18:24

Yeah. You're not adhering to it. Cause we do great benders on the weekends and well yeah, you're entitled to your privacy. I think that's also a part of it, so, hey.

Tracey 18:33

Yeah, that's definitely a part of it. I think in general, like I said, this isn't like a hard, fast rule I had just since I've been alcohol free or, or having the podcast.

Kelly 18:43

Right.

Tracey 18:43

This was a rule I always had in place for myself even prior. Yeah. And,

Mike 18:47

So the interesting thing for me is, is like, kind of a little bit hitting on that is that I'd never post anything. So when I met with, oh, hey, I heard your podcast and I was kind of like, what? What? Oh. Mm-hmm. like, and I have to think, oh well y must have posted something. And that mutual friend saw it. In fact, I was at another 50th party. There was two actually. Another, I think about it, it was back to back. It was Friday and Saturday, and then one on Saturday. A buddy of mine's like, yeah, I've downloaded your podcast. And I was like, what?

Kelly 19:17

Amazing.

Mike 19:18

Yeah. And he is like, yeah, I've listened to it. I listened to your episode. And I was like, I never in a million years would've thought that. I was like, ah, cool. What did you think? He goes, it's good. But I think too, people are nice. Some people are just nice and who knows, but,

Kelly 19:31

and who knows? That's the thing, right? It's out there. And I think the whole point of this podcast and posting and whatever we do with our alcohol free lifestyle, it's to, to live our truth and

Tracey 19:45

Yeah. Absolutely.

Kelly 19:45

What have we learned? My word of the year for 2023 is truth, because I see how much. Through our guests and through my own journey how much not living your truth holds you back. And when you live out loud, you live your truth. You subconsciously liberate other people to live their own truth.

Tracey 20:07

Absolutely. Yeah. And that's what I said to my coworker is I said, I'm super proud of what we've done because I know we've reached people and we've helped people

Kelly 20:19

for sure. And you never know who's listening.

Tracey 20:22

Yeah, yeah. No, a hundred percent. Yeah.

Mike 20:25

Listening your world, I guess. Right? That's

Kelly 20:26

what's that

Mike 20:27

like, who's listening in your world and you guys

Kelly 20:29

who's listening. I know. It's so, I love those moments though, and I was telling you guys before we hit record that. My chiropractor. So shout out to Dr. Sam. He listens to all our episodes and it's just like, yeah. And it's, it just makes me feel so grateful and it's still shocking to me. like Mike said, it's like, really? You do. So yeah. The more we put ourselves out there, the more people that are listening and, you know, that person may not be struggling with alcohol themselves, but maybe they have a friend and then they can say, Hey, listen to this podcast. You know, like the more it's out there, the more we could possibly help people.

Mike 21:09

Yeah.

Tracey 21:09

That just happened to me. Actually, a friend of ours, you know, too, Kel from high school. Mm-hmm. just reached out to me about her. because her cousin must have recently went, I'll call free. She had put a post on Facebook and so she told her about the podcast and is trying to connect us and

Kelly 21:27

mm-hmm.

Tracey 21:28

said maybe she wants to come on and be a guest at some point and tell her story. But yeah, that was a friend of ours reaching out on behalf of their family. Right.

Kelly 21:37

That's awesome. Really good.

Tracey 21:38

Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

Kelly 21:39

yeah. Yeah. So what else is going on out there? Lindsay? Lindsay's gonna test.

Lindsey 21:44

Yeah. Oh my gosh. I don't really have any stories about Christmas. I mean, I had an alcohol-free Christmas. Everybody knows that I am alcohol free.

Tracey 21:53

So how was your christmas Eve?

Lindsey 21:56

It was great. Yeah, it was alcohol free. My mom's like, yeah,

Tracey 22:01

everybody was well behaved over there.

Lindsey 22:03

Everybody was so well behaved and everybody left. I mean, we were all, I think done by nine

Mike 22:10

Oh for Santa You home in time for Santa

Lindsey 22:13

for sure. And yeah, lots less drinking at my mom's than there used to be. That's for sure. And it's a really positive thing because now my sisters have kids, so they're there and they're like seven and under and they're super excited for Christmas and I just can't imagine being wasted around them. Cuz Christmas is really just, oh, I mean, a lot of people just use it as an excuse to binge drink, get wasted. Totally. And I'm like, it's not no, stop doing that. But for me, it's the dating thing, right? Meeting people. I always get the question in some form or another, the, why don't you drink?

Mike 22:53

Do you think it's a fair question. Sorry. Do you think that's a fair question.

Lindsey 22:56

I'm not offended by it.

Mike 22:58

Yeah, that's good.

Lindsey 22:59

But I guess it could ask the other person, why do you drink? You know what I mean?

Mike 23:02

I mean do you think that if a guy's asking you, why don't you drink? Do you think it's more related to. did you have a problem?

Kelly 23:09

Right,

Lindsey 23:10

yes. Happened. That's exactly what they're trying to get at. I think people are too afraid to be like, so were you an alcoholic? That's what people wanna know when they ask you, so why don't you drink? They wanna know the rock bottom. Yeah.

Kelly 23:23

Which is fair. That's fair enough.

Lindsey 23:25

I mean, that's fair.

Mike 23:26

Cause if you're gonna get into a relationship with somebody long term, you don't want it to come out three years later. Oh by the way, I'm recovering, alcohol,

Lindsey 23:32

alcoholic Yeah.

Kelly 23:33

When do you tell people this, Lindsay, when does it come up and like, well, you're, oh. Chatting or, or when you meet them

Lindsey 23:39

be No, because it's, it's gonna be chatting because they're like, let's go for drinks. Right. That's what they, that's what everybody defaults to. Can I take you out for a drink? And my answer is, well no, because I don't drink. How about a coffee? In the chatting stage, somebody might be like, oh, you don't drink question mark. And I'm like, yeah, it just doesn't align with my lifestyle. And I sort of feel the need to be like, I wasn't a physically dependent alcoholic, if that's what you need to know. But I usually don't say that I'm just like, it really doesn't align with my lifestyle. I haven't had a drink in three years and I'm not gonna change for anybody. And I feel like a lot of people are looking for a drinking buddy when they are selecting somebody to date. My recent experience with somebody was So this person that I went out with a couple times, really liked whiskey and I was like, that's cool. I'm not bothered by it. I don't care if you're a drinker. I don't care if you drink around me. It doesn't trigger me. It is what it is. We went out on a date we went to this show and maybe we were at this place for two hours and he had six whiskey drinks and I had to drive his his truck,

Kelly 24:50

red flag back, red flag,

Lindsey 24:52

right? and he kind of looked at me and was like, can you, are you gonna drive? First of all I'm thinking, what I'm thinking to myself is wait, trying to present,

Kelly 25:00

did he pick you up for this date? Like did he

Lindsey 25:02

No. No he did not. Okay. Right. Red flag, first of all, that's a red flag, right? So anyways Yeah, I had to drive his vehicle back. I actually had to drop his friends off as well in the vehicle because he picked them up you know what I mean? I'm just,

Kelly 25:20

I'd be like, see you later. Oh my gosh, there's my car. Bye.

Lindsey 25:24

Yeah, I would've been like I'm gonna just take a cab back to wherever my car is and I'll see you later. But yeah, so ultimately we didn't end up continuing on we chatted for a bit after that, but that was our last date. And when I think about it, I was like, I wasn't even sad because there was a lot of stuff there that when I look back I'm like, oh, okay, well he, here's a full whiskey bar in his place, which is fine. But I just think he really wanted a partner that was a drinker. And sometimes my. I guess insecurities will creep up and I'll be like, oh, that's why I'm single because I don't drink. Or it's gonna be more difficult for me to find a partner because I don't drink, but mm-hmm. there are people that I connect with. It's not a match, but they're like, that's admirable that you don't Yeah.

Kelly 26:16

Yeah, for sure. No.

Tracey 26:17

Yeah. I think a lot of people ask you why you don't drink because they're astonished at the fact that people actually choose not to drink these days. Right. Right. I think they're just curious, like, oh my gosh, you don't drink. How did you do that kind of thing? Mm-hmm. because they don't think it's possible.

Kelly 26:34

Yeah.

Tracey 26:34

I had a person reach out to me over the holidays after I posted my two year anniversary mm-hmm. and they said, oh my God, you haven't drank for two years. They were actually sober for a couple years cuz they had a couple young kids and stopped drinking. But then I guess as their kids got older, they got back into drinking and yeah. That was kind of their reaction. Oh my God, you're not drinking. I can't imagine my life without drinking right now.

Lindsey 27:00

Right.

Tracey 27:00

So I think a lot of people ask for that reason.

Lindsey 27:03

Mm-hmm. Too mm-hmm.

Tracey 27:04

I love your, I love that.

Kelly 27:06

I like hear, I love, yeah. I love that answer. But I, I make it pretty clear and not right away, but like, if they ask, what about my drinking? I don't think I could say, I don't care if you drink or not. I'm not triggered. I would say, It depends what your relationship is with alcohol.

Lindsey 27:24

Well, that's true.

Kelly 27:25

Definitely's more.

Lindsey 27:25

I definitely don't want somebody who abuses it. Right. Who hinges and blacks out and is abusive and turns into a completely different person that. To me, I will not tolerate that. Yeah. Well, and I said to you, I, I've been that person, so

Kelly 27:39

Oh yeah. No judgment to people who drink. No. And people who want drinking buddies. Not at all. But I said to Lynn's last night, I said, it's good that you figured it out on. Second date. Yes. Cause I was with somebody for four months, he was a boyfriend and Right.

Lindsey 27:53

I remember that

Kelly 27:54

He either wasn't honest with his drinking or he thought, oh, maybe I can change.

Tracey 28:01

Right.

Kelly 28:01

Because it didn't come up. But, in the end, that's the reason why we broke up cuz he wanted a drinking buddy, mm-hmm. and, I mean, there's other reasons it wouldn't have continued, but

Lindsey 28:10

for sure.

Kelly 28:11

He just really missed drinking and we would go, away for a weekend and he would go home, like, drop me off on Sunday night and go home and drink his face off cuz he missed it. So it's like

Lindsey 28:23

And he moderated around you? Probably.

Kelly 28:25

He did drink around me, but not a lot. Not a lot would like one or two drinks, strong drinks

Lindsey 28:30

and he wasn't being his true self, I guess. Yeah, that's right. Right, exactly.

Tracey 28:34

That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelly 28:36

Maybe one day he will give up alcohol. Maybe he won't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter now. That was a long time ago, but, um mm-hmm. Yeah. And that was sad when it ended, cuz we had spent four months together. So finding out on the second date is like, way better.

Lindsey 28:50

Yeah, way better.

Tracey 28:51

Yeah.

Kelly 28:51

But no, Lindsay, when you said you have that insecurity, like I've met so many people out there that don't drink.

Lindsey 28:58

I do. Sometimes I do. Sometimes that creeps into the back of my head and I'm like, no, no. Don't, don't like, that's not a thing. But it's just such a common practice. It's such a common dating thing, sharing drinks with somebody, sharing wine, and I feel like it can put people off, but I, at this point, I'm so strong and aligned with who I am that I don't care. And if those people good judge me or don't want to be with me because I am living an alcohol free life. Good. Like, good.

Tracey 29:33

They're not your person anyway. They're not my person. No. Which, you know that deep down inside for sure. Even when those insecurities creep in, you know that for sure. Your worth is more than that.

Lindsey 29:44

Oh yeah.

Kelly 29:45

Yeah. You're not, you're not gonna have to sacrifice that, Lindsay.

Lindsey 29:48

Yeah, I know. Exactly. I know. You're sure. Yeah.

Mike 29:50

Hey, Lindsay, do you actively search for non-drinkers?

Lindsey 29:53

No.

Mike 29:54

No. There's no way to do that. Or,

Lindsey 29:56

I guess, you know what? I think maybe on some online dating apps, you probably could filter. Mm-hmm. That, but if, you can see people's classification, for alcohol and drugs, some apps, it will give you the ability to mark if, you know, never drink right in moderation or like all the time. And also too, if somebody is holding a bottle of whiskey in their profile picture, yes, swipe left. Yeah. If, if it actually actually says in your red flag, if it says in your profile that you enjoy drinking every week. I don't know. Some people, the way they word it, I'm like, oh, so you drink a lot? I'm just, I don't even swipe left. Yeah.

Kelly 30:40

Yeah. If you can see that it's a big part of their life. Yeah. Either by what they write or their pictures, then you know you're not gonna be a match. And again, no judgment, I was there. No judgment. My god.

Lindsey 30:49

Yeah. No judgment until I was 43. But like if you've got your shirt off in a picture and you're a sweaty mess and you're drinking out of the bottle, I'm not gonna, you know, you know, match with you but I have mindset to none. On under alcohol. Yeah, me too. So, and it's funny because these people can see that. And yet they still,

Kelly 31:10

they don't look at your, don't your, they don't see your picture and they're like, oh my gosh, she's a gorgeous woman. I don't care what any of that. She's not,

Tracey 31:18

they're not looking at your drinking stats.

Lindsey 31:21

No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Tracey 31:23

Looking at some other stats there. Yeah.

Lindsey 31:27

looking at some other goods, right. Yeah.

Mike 31:30

Do you mention anything about it in your profile? Like saying No. What I mean by that saying is I'm not looking for a guy with a whiskey bar per se, or something along those lines, but I don't,

Lindsey 31:40

maybe I should, should I add that? What do you guys say?

Kelly 31:44

I think I have had that once I put something like, I don't drink alcohol and I don't mind if you do, but if that's important to you, then we won't be a match or something like that. Mm-hmm. Ooh, that's like nothing too heavy, just kinda, yeah, there's a fact. Yeah.

Lindsey 31:59

Yeah. No, I don't have anything in my profile. I usually. Don't. But I will be honest.

Mike 32:06

Write it for you and then you write Kelly.

Lindsey 32:07

Yeah. Okay.

Kelly 32:11

I'm not on anything right now in like

Lindsey 32:14

the alcohol category. And it's funny though, like that a dating app will have that, an alcohol category. Do you drink?

Tracey 32:21

Well, good thing though, because it's, otherwise you could be completely blindsided. Right.

Lindsey 32:27

But people also can lie, you know? Well, it's true. It's just like you can write anything you want there. Sure.

Tracey 32:33

For sure.

Kelly 32:34

Like the part, the part where it says, do you want a relationship?

Lindsey 32:37

Yes. That part, the part where it says you're at five.

Tracey 32:41

Yes, I do.

Lindsey 32:42

Five 11.

Tracey 32:42

No, no.

Kelly 32:43

You're, oh my God. You meet Lindsay.

Lindsey 32:45

Tell about like, I'm like, I forgot about that five 11. I'm five two and I I don't think that you are five 11.

Kelly 32:54

Is she mad somebody in person? That was five eight and he said five 11 on the app.

Mike 32:58

Oh, really?

Tracey 32:58

That's a lot of guys though. God, I met so many.

Mike 33:02

I mean, that's a lot. Wow.

Tracey 33:06

God guys lie about their height all the time.

Lindsey 33:09

Wow. But you know what, it's the same guys that bitch about women using filters. That's a whole thing too. I'm like, really? You're not five 11. So, but that's the thing. It's like dating brings up all these insecurities or something. And it's not just in women, it's in men too. Yeah. But I'm like, oh, like why are you gonna, why? If you're. Starting out and your profile has a bunch of lies in it. I don't know, do you believe you're five 11 or is that like, what are you doing? Just be honest, I don't know.

Kelly 33:41

We always go back to dating

Tracey 33:42

talk Yeah. Well now we're gonna get more serious because there was some things happening over the holidays. More recently they had the new drinking guidelines.

Lindsey 33:54

Yes.

Kelly 33:55

Who, who's they? Who's they?

Lindsey 33:58

World health Organization.

Mike 33:59

What is it? Tell I don't know anything about this. So please.

Lindsey 34:02

It says this, it was released I can't remember, January, 2023. So in January.

Tracey 34:09

It says no amount of alcohol is safe.

Kelly 34:12

Correct.

Tracey 34:13

It's anything more than two drinks a week is considered a risk. They have done research over the last decade because the last guidelines that were updated was 2011.

Lindsey 34:25

Correct.

Tracey 34:25

And in the research that they've done, what they've discovered is one that alcohol is carcinogen.

Lindsey 34:34

Yeah.

Tracey 34:34

Carcinogen,

Kelly 34:35

A group, a carcinogen, which is the same as asbestos, radiation, or tobacco radiation. Mm-hmm.

Tracey 34:43

So it causes seven types of cancer.

Lindsey 34:47

Mm-hmm.

Tracey 34:48

The two leading types are breast and colon, which I know Lindsay has spoken about. The breast cancer related to wine. On average there's 7,000 cancer deaths a year. Related to alcohol and the risk is higher with every additional drink you drink a week, basically, and they're trying to create warning signs or they want warning signs and labels on bottles and cans like they do with cigarettes. Who should be, and of course they're getting major pushback from the, of course they are alcohol providers.

Kelly 35:18

It's coming. It's coming. I feel it. I think we're gonna have them.

Lindsey 35:21

Well listen to this. Half of all alcohol attributable cancers in the World Health Organization in the European region are caused by light to moderate alcohol consumption, half of all alcohol related cancers. So the light and moderate drinking pattern is responsible for the majority of alcohol attributable breast cancer in women. We're not talking heavy binge drinking. We're talking like a few drinks a week. Like yeah. this is the truth. This is all backed by research. So I think way to go, way to go. And people need to know the truth.

Tracey 36:01

It's very exciting that this is being put out there in the media now after it being so glamorized, as we've talked about many and times and they were talking about too, how, the fact that wine has been toted as having health benefits is just, basically

Kelly 36:17

bullshit.

Tracey 36:17

Fake news

Lindsey 36:18

Well, here's what I heard here. Before we move on, I just wanna say this because I read this and it just popped in my head as you said, your last statement there, Tracey. So let me get this correct. saying that wine is healthy for you because it contains resveratrol is like saying poisoned soup is helping for you because it has broccoli in it. Yeah. Right, right.

Tracey 36:44

Very good point. Good analogy.

Lindsey 36:47

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I don't think you would eat poison soup with broccoli and be like, well it's totally healthy for you cuz you're getting a serving of veggies.

Kelly 36:56

Mm-hmm.

Tracey 36:58

Well we have talked about this and I had mentioned, the fact that once you learn this stuff you can't unlearn it. I think all of us have probably really educated ourselves on. Effects of alcohol since we quit drinking. I know, I have. And for me, I just said this a couple weeks ago, that if there was no other reason why I wouldn't drink again, it would be because I'm educated now on what it's actually doing to my body.

Kelly 37:26

Right.

Tracey 37:27

That is enough for me to never wanna do it again because I care about my health. I like my brain and how it operates, and I don't wanna deteriorate it by having drinks. Mm-hmm. So one thing that I've mentioned probably before is I listened to the Huberman Lab, the Huberman podcast, and he has a great episode that's, Directly related to how alcohol affects your body and your mind. So I highly recommend that if this wasn't enough information for people out there. But what really shocked me about this was that, a friend of mine actually posted this on their Facebook, which I was really happy to see because this friend is in particularly someone that, totes alcohol free or anything. And I know they used to drink and maybe they're not drinking as much anymore, but they put it on their Facebook page and said, just note to friends to. Read and educate yourself and, and drink with caution basically. And a whole debate ended up happening on their page about it.

Kelly 38:27

Do people get triggered cuz they don't wanna give it up?

Tracey 38:30

Yeah. But then too a woman posted it. I'm on a community page in my community, and it's a woman's specific. And a woman posted on the community page asking people what they thought about this. And so many people were just, basically their attitude was like, I don't care. Life's short if I wanna drink and that's what makes me feel good and blah, blah, blah. And if that's my one treat a day is a glass or a bottle of wine, then that's what I'm gonna do. And I was just like, wow.

Kelly 39:02

so do you think that's how they really feel? Or do you think that change is just feeling too hard for them?

Tracey 39:07

I honestly, I think that people just completely almost ignore it. They're not taking it, it seriously. Right.

Kelly 39:15

I knew this, I knew that it caused cancer. I knew how bad it was for me. It had caused my gout and I still wasn't ready to give it up. So I get it. I get where they're coming from. But what I just say about truth, that I knew the truth and it was eating away at me because I've always, tried to live a healthy lifestyle and take care of my body and I knew I was destroying it deep down, but I would make comments like that for sure. While I was drinking.

Lindsey 39:44

It would piss me off before I quit drinking. I would just get so triggered, I would almost feel like, oh, do you think you're better than me? Mm-hmm. or. Just, I would have that same life as short mentality. But if you logically think about it, if you're saying life is short, you're consuming a substance that's gonna make it even shorter.

Kelly 40:06

Yeah. And if you have kids and you have like things you wanna do in your life,

Lindsey 40:11

it doesn't make sense, like at all. And I think change is really difficult.

Kelly 40:21

Especially if it's a coping mechanism and they don't know any other coping mechanisms. Mm-hmm.

Lindsey 40:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's their source of numbing out. Mm-hmm. And, people associate it with being fun, but it just doesn't make sense. We always use the Yolo. Or the life is

Kelly 40:39

short. My kids say that. Nobody says that anymore.

Lindsey 40:42

We are cool. Okay, Kelly But we use those terms to justify that how I do and bad behaviors. Like, oh, yolo, I'm gonna go spend the money I don't have. Life is short. I'm gonna have the cigarettes. Life is short. I'm gonna drink the, the, the alcohol on a weeknight and have 17 mimosas at brunch. Mm-hmm But when you think about it, how are you functioning? It's causing you stress and anxiety in the future. You might be yolo ing now, but tomorrow you're gonna, you're gonna be like, what the hell did I do?

Kelly 41:19

with the hangover and everything. I know I was that person. I know, and maybe not every per single person that's abusing alcohol feels this way, but I. Know what it's like to be that. Like, oh, you only live once. I'm just gonna freaking get, I'm gonna get another bottle of wine open here. Yeah. And in the moment it's a, it's like this persona and this fun thing, but yeah. Day to day that truth ate away at me until I couldn't freaking stand myself anymore.

Tracey 41:51

Well, I mean, I don't know, maybe they just haven't had that experience, or they haven't talked to that point yet.

Kelly 41:56

Right. But it's in there. They have the information now. Yeah. Yeah. So now carry on with your life and make those choices when deep down, you know, this could be causing severe problems for your future. I didn't hear what you said there, Mike. What was,

Mike 42:11

What did I. I don't, I

Kelly 42:12

don't worry. Sorry. I was on a rant.

Lindsey 42:15

We're ranty today. I am.

Kelly 42:17

Well ranty. This stuff fires me up. But I always try and take a step back and remember wait, that was me. That was me.

Lindsey 42:24

Yeah, that was me too. So,

Kelly 42:25

yeah.

Mike 42:26

Oh, I know what I said. It was. They're not there yet,

Kelly 42:29

right? Yeah. But it's in there. The seed is planted.

Mike 42:32

The voice, the voice, the little,

Kelly 42:34

the voice, the intuition, the voice, the truth, the knowing, whatever you wanna call it. It's always, and it all get louder and louder and louder.

Tracey 42:43

Like I said, and my post when I posted it on our page there was that, once you learn this information and you've been, alcohol free, you wanna share it with people. Mm-hmm. but you also feel that urge to hold back because you don't want to seem like you're judging. Right. Like, or that you're trying to preach either. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like you have this knowledge and you just wanna shout it to the rooftops,

Kelly 43:08

mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tracey 43:10

Because you want everybody to know, and also to realize that when you get on the other side of it, how great it is,

Kelly 43:18

it's amazing.

Tracey 43:18

And how great you feel. Yeah. Because people when they're not having that experience and they're stuck in the rut of it. Numbing yourself to everything puts you in a state of denial as well. And maybe that's what's going on with some of these people.

Kelly 43:31

Yeah.

Tracey 43:32

another thing I think is interesting is that I saw a clip on one of the sober social medias I follow, and it was a clip of Jamie Lee Curtis, I think Lindsay's shaking her head because she probably saw this clip, but she had a history in her family of alcoholism, and she was saying how she stopped the cycle and that that will be her legacy. Mm-hmm. And that's how I feel gave, I totally resonated with that. Me too. Because if that's my legacy, I'm okay with that.

Kelly 44:02

Yeah.

Tracey 44:03

Because that's how I feel. My, alcohol free journey kind of turned into, me stopping that cycle within my own family. And I think people just even just ask themselves what did they want their legacy or their life to be.

Kelly 44:16

Just the fact that you guys had your alcohol free Christmas Trace when we know that your, you know, you've shared lots of your family history on the podcast here. Like, that just makes me wanna cry,

Tracey 44:26

mm-hmm.

Kelly 44:26

it makes me so happy for you guys.

Tracey 44:28

Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. That's why you get so passionate about it, just like you are right now, Kel. Mm-hmm. because you're on the other side of it, and you just want people to understand because it is scary. It's scary for you about's.

Kelly 44:42

Scary. The unknown. The unknown is scary,

Lindsey 44:46

until you're on the other side of it, I was shit scared. Mm-hmm. I was like, I'm not gonna have anything to do. I'm going to be bored. No one's gonna wanna hang out with me. How am I gonna cope? What am I gonna do and what am I gonna drink when I watch Netflix?

Kelly 45:00

Right.

Lindsey 45:00

It just, all these things,

Kelly 45:01

all of it, because it's, it becomes part of everything. And even after I quit, I've set this on here before, but even after I quit, I was like, I don't know if this is gonna be any good. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced this is gonna be fun, but I can't stay on myself anymore. And other people have done it, so let's just give it a shot.

Lindsey 45:20

Yeah. Yeah. You don't really know until you're on the other side. We're kind of in a unique position because we've lived both ways. Mm-hmm. do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. like somebody who's contemplating like, I don't think I can do this. I don't know if I wanna do this. Maybe they've given up alcohol for dry January. Dry February. I mean, like myself, six months was the longest I went, but I was like, eh, you just, you don't really know. And it can suck at first and be hard, but mm-hmm. when you're really on the other side, you're, it's just like something just clicks.

Kelly 45:54

Yeah.

Lindsey 45:55

Your brain, your heart, like everything in you is like, oh my God. Like, yeah. And I don't believe for one second, people, I see this all the time. People are telling me about their ailments or they're posting about how they aren't feeling well, but you see them posting that they're drinking wine on the weekend, and I'm like, hello? can I just start by telling you something really simple, you gotta cut out the booze

Tracey 46:21

yeah. You don't think those two things are related, right?

Lindsey 46:24

Or people like, Lynn's, what are you doing? You look really good. Well, let me tell you. Step one, cut out the alcohol. Mm-hmm.

Kelly 46:32

nothing ages you like alcohol, nothing ages you like alcohol,

Lindsey 46:36

stop drinking. I don't care if you're only drinking on the weekend. Your body cannot process toxins and anything else. Just from the foods we eat. Our environment. If it's busy processing alcohol outta your system, your body is not made to process poison like that it's so hard on your liver and all of your organs or people with like, oh, I just got diagnosed with diabetes and high blood pressure, but they're drinking. I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish you could.

Kelly 47:05

And doctors don't tell people that Mm.

Lindsey 47:08

Very true.

Kelly 47:09

If they're seeing medical doctors, they're not being told you should really stop drinking. No. Mm-hmm. they're still told, and maybe this will change with this new information that's out. Doubt. No. Mike says no But they just, they, well, the cycle is, and I know because I was in it. Like they ask you how much you drink, you lie, and then they say like, oh, just try and moderate or cut back. Mm-hmm.

Lindsey 47:30

Well, they know you lie cuz I think doctors are actually when they ask you how many drinks a week you have, I think they add like 10, you know, or something, or four, whatever. Like know

Tracey 47:40

if they were smart, they should, yeah.

Lindsey 47:42

Yeah. Like I don't think I've ever been honest with the doctor. When my doctor was like, wow, how you drinking? Never. Yeah. when my we, when my weight went up by 30 pounds,

Kelly 47:51

but they're not telling people to quit drinking. They're telling people to cut back. If it seems like a lot.

Lindsey 47:57

and they're writing prescriptions, so,

Kelly 47:59

oh man, do not get me started. Like that's a whole kinda worms.

Tracey 48:05

Yeah. I kind of wish that I had commented on the one page because of exactly what you said, how, where you're coming from, a unique perspective, being on both sides of it. I kind of regretted after the fact it felt like there was an opportunity there for me to speak from both sides

Kelly 48:22

mm-hmm.

Tracey 48:22

and to potentially, give someone the opportunity to consider a change.

Kelly 48:27

Well, and that's the thing I think we can do, you know, like trace how you were just saying, you could become preachy and all of that. I think all we can do is just speak our truth from our own experience.

Tracey 48:37

Mm-hmm.

Kelly 48:38

and then they have that information. They can do what they want with that, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Tracey 48:45

Either way. I think it's all good. We've said too before, what did we say we called alcohol turning into cigarettes. Right? Isn't this kind of what's happening?

Lindsey 48:54

That is, I think give it two more decades, 20 years, and alcohol, like your time is limited. It will be like cigarettes. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Because then I think, millennials, they're actually the ones that aren't drinking as much or something anymore. It's people that I find that are my age, like forties, thirties, that are, fif forties, thirties, forties, fifties, I think that are drinking. But I don't know. Mm-hmm. kids in their twenties aren't going out and getting

Kelly 49:27

Nope.

Lindsey 49:27

Shit faced and

Kelly 49:28

no, my 18 year old, I mean, they, they all don't drink at all. but like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The 18 year old,

Lindsey 49:34

it's not such a bad thing to not drink anymore, yeah. You're being talked about more.

Kelly 49:40

My almost 17 year old is not interested and then the almost 27 year old. Did go through I think the partying stage, but he will go out mm-hmm. to the bar and things like that, mm-hmm. every once in a while, but doesn't wanna he struggles with hangovers. I'm like, my God, if you're struggling now at 26, like PO wait till you get to 40 yeah. But no, he's not a big drinker.

Tracey 50:04

I know I mentioned this to you guys, but I'm not sure I spoke about it on the podcast, but my nephew and his girlfriend who are in university, listened to every one of our episodes and they talked to me and I think it made them really conscious actually, of the binge drinking that goes on in university. And I thought it was really cool to have conversations with them about it and get their perspective. Again, it just kind of gave them something else to think about and they really saw it from a different perspective. So I thought it was really cool that at their age and their stage of life, that they were listening and paying attention. I know a big part of it was to support me, but they were taking stuff from it. Yes. Right. Yeah. And having these type of conversations about binge drinking and stuff, so I thought that's pretty awesome.

Kelly 50:54

Yeah. It's bringing awareness. That's what I hope we're doing here. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think it's really good.

Lindsey 50:59

Yeah.

Kelly 51:00

Well, I'm excited for some upcoming episodes. We have some of our listeners as some of our guests.

Tracey 51:07

I know we have a big lineup of guests. We have six guests we have to look forward to, and I'm sure we'll have some hot topics to talk about, but

Kelly 51:15

For sure.

Tracey 51:16

Yeah, it's very exciting. It's so nice to be back and mm-hmm. see you guys and yeah.

Kelly 51:22

Yay,

Lindsey 51:24

That was it.

Kelly 51:25

whoever listening. If there's any topics, if there's any topics that you wanna hear us talk about we love that kind of feedback

Tracey 51:33

for sure. Yeah. Kel, go ahead and wrap up if you want. Tell them how to find us and where to give the feedback.

Kelly 51:39

Oh, well, we're on Instagram at Laugh Life podcast. There's a link in the show notes to a Facebook community where we share oh, our Instagram accounts are linked in there. And our email address. So reach out, give us a review, share with your friends. Thank you.

Tracey 51:59

Okay. Thanks everyone for listening, and we look forward to seeing you next week. Bye guys. Until next time, keep laughing.

Kelly 52:07

Laughing. Yay. Hi. Bye

Lindsey 52:10

bye everyone.

Kelly 52:13

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